Post by Kizzume on Nov 9, 2007 15:01:11 GMT -5
Whether people want to admit it or not, there is a push for everyone to be secular. It is scaring the crap out of those who hold their religious beliefs very dear.
The easiest examples I can mention is the way that many of the hundreds of religions that are based on either the Bible or the Koran believe that homosexuality is-wrong/is-sinful/is-an-abomination.
“Hate speech” is what any speech about one’s beliefs in those areas is starting to get called. Because of this, whole religions are getting equated as “hateful”. Some of these people that are getting labeled “hateful” don’t have a hateful bone in their body, well, okay—the hateful bones they have are dried twigs. The only time those hateful bones are ever even noticed is when they start to get labeled “hateful” simply out of believing in a religion.
Before I start to get labeled poorly—let me say that I wish that ogrganized religion would just magically disappear. I personally think that people who consider themselves to be very religious and don’t mind talking about the wrath of God™ on a normal basis who believe they have the right to tell everyone how to live DO cause most of the world’s problems.
Before it seems like I’m trying to talk about anything that goes on in Kizzume Forum—this has NOTHING to do with what I see on this forum. This is purely what I see in other places and the reactions of people, people’s timidness in even mentioning their religion because they’re scared of being judged.
Walking around being scared of being judged just because of a belief that you have must not be a very comfortable thing at all. I imagine it must be absolutely horrible. I imagine it must be the way I felt about being gay before I came out and for years afterwards.
The thing that worries me about this kind of thing, and ½ of the reason why I’m posting it, is because if we push too hard in one direction, it’s a pendulum, and it’s eventually going to kick everyone in the ass.
The other half of the reason I’m posting this is that for some reason I started thinking about what I used to get told in Sunday school, “There are people that are going to hate you simply because you believe in Jesus. Don’t let it get to you.” I never really remember people judging me over it—although I did get judged by the way I acted—always trying to be the good kid who’s a tattletale because that’s what was right in my mind at the time. I didn’t need to give that much detail—sorry. Okay Kizzume, the backspace key DOES work…… anyway—now that I look at the way things have changed, I’m starting to see how timid some people still are about their beliefs. I don’t think people should have to feel that way.
What is it that we can do to make religious people not feel as much that way? I know it could be just their nervous condition and I’m seeing it because I have a nervous condition, one of those it takes one to know one things, but I really think that this has increased over the years. How can we make them feel less persecuted?
I have been guilty many times in my past of saying truly awful things about religious people as a whole, and I regret that a lot. Just as religious people may feel that being gay is a sin, I feel that religious people thinking their way is the ONLY way is foolish—if I expect them to not smear those aspects of their religion in my face to make ME feel bad about the way I believe (because I believe that being gay is a normal thing and that I mostly was born that way—that’s MY belief, almost religious belief in a way), how can I be hypocritical and smear the way I feel about their religion in their face? Isn’t it the same thing?
The easiest examples I can mention is the way that many of the hundreds of religions that are based on either the Bible or the Koran believe that homosexuality is-wrong/is-sinful/is-an-abomination.
“Hate speech” is what any speech about one’s beliefs in those areas is starting to get called. Because of this, whole religions are getting equated as “hateful”. Some of these people that are getting labeled “hateful” don’t have a hateful bone in their body, well, okay—the hateful bones they have are dried twigs. The only time those hateful bones are ever even noticed is when they start to get labeled “hateful” simply out of believing in a religion.
Before I start to get labeled poorly—let me say that I wish that ogrganized religion would just magically disappear. I personally think that people who consider themselves to be very religious and don’t mind talking about the wrath of God™ on a normal basis who believe they have the right to tell everyone how to live DO cause most of the world’s problems.
Before it seems like I’m trying to talk about anything that goes on in Kizzume Forum—this has NOTHING to do with what I see on this forum. This is purely what I see in other places and the reactions of people, people’s timidness in even mentioning their religion because they’re scared of being judged.
Walking around being scared of being judged just because of a belief that you have must not be a very comfortable thing at all. I imagine it must be absolutely horrible. I imagine it must be the way I felt about being gay before I came out and for years afterwards.
The thing that worries me about this kind of thing, and ½ of the reason why I’m posting it, is because if we push too hard in one direction, it’s a pendulum, and it’s eventually going to kick everyone in the ass.
The other half of the reason I’m posting this is that for some reason I started thinking about what I used to get told in Sunday school, “There are people that are going to hate you simply because you believe in Jesus. Don’t let it get to you.” I never really remember people judging me over it—although I did get judged by the way I acted—always trying to be the good kid who’s a tattletale because that’s what was right in my mind at the time. I didn’t need to give that much detail—sorry. Okay Kizzume, the backspace key DOES work…… anyway—now that I look at the way things have changed, I’m starting to see how timid some people still are about their beliefs. I don’t think people should have to feel that way.
What is it that we can do to make religious people not feel as much that way? I know it could be just their nervous condition and I’m seeing it because I have a nervous condition, one of those it takes one to know one things, but I really think that this has increased over the years. How can we make them feel less persecuted?
I have been guilty many times in my past of saying truly awful things about religious people as a whole, and I regret that a lot. Just as religious people may feel that being gay is a sin, I feel that religious people thinking their way is the ONLY way is foolish—if I expect them to not smear those aspects of their religion in my face to make ME feel bad about the way I believe (because I believe that being gay is a normal thing and that I mostly was born that way—that’s MY belief, almost religious belief in a way), how can I be hypocritical and smear the way I feel about their religion in their face? Isn’t it the same thing?
