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Post by Kizzume on Nov 13, 2007 22:38:33 GMT -5
Here-here's a thread I'm starting for people to bash religion in. Go for it--state everything you hate about religion here. Please don't attempt to derail other threads with religion bashing. Keep it in THIS thread OR make a NEW thread in Deep Cleansing. Thanks.  |
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Post by Kizzume on Nov 14, 2007 1:20:00 GMT -5
Here we go, here's a weird video in relation to the subject.
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Post by technocrat on Nov 14, 2007 18:31:18 GMT -5
Religion sucks donkey balls. Period. They are delusions that people take seriously only because of convention; that convention is the same rationale for acting all offended when someone attacks it, yet at the same time, having no problem with attacking political ideologies, such as fascism or communism. Double standard delusion, at that.
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Post by debateman on Nov 14, 2007 20:20:06 GMT -5
Again, you fail to realize the nuances between religion and philosophy.
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Post by technocrat on Nov 14, 2007 22:01:24 GMT -5
Wrong, kiddo. I notice that you believe there's some holy difference that makes religion immune to attacks. There's no difference between a political ideology and a religion in the respect that inherently ought to be given it. You only think there's a difference, but what you think is clearly wrong.
Religions are ideologies. Just not political. They're no more deserving of respect than a political ideology that's rotten. Catholicism and protestantism are just as worthy of attack. We only give them special status in society because we have been culturally brainwashed into thinking something "religious" is worthy of respect simply by virtue of being a religion.
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Post by debateman on Nov 14, 2007 22:39:46 GMT -5
In general, you get the respect that you give. You have failed to give proper respect to any one else's opinions, and that is what we are discussing, opinions. You are of the opinion that religion is false and accordingly faith is false and spirituality is harmful. The problem is that you cannot articulate your point without slanderous attacks against something you fail to fully understand. You examine religion from your personal interpretation instead of it's cultural significance.
Considering that religion is culturally significant, one should respect that status despite their disagreement with it.
You say "Religion is a fucking joke, paying homage to sky daddy."
When if you said "While religion is a significant cultural phenomenon, I disagree vehemently with the dogma and philosophy. I think that religion limits personal decision-making/responsibility because it prescribes a method of thought that is mandated to it's followers. I also have not seen scientific evidence of God thus I take issue with believing in an entity I cannot touch, see, or hear." you would garner more respect.
The problem is that you are acting like a child instead of reasoned adult. If you would show individuals the respect that they deserve, you would be much better off. You do not know everything. You fail to see the nuances in life.
There is a difference between religion and political ideology. In general, American's are more concerned with protecting their religious freedoms than their political ideology. Beyond that, a political ideology is often determined by ones' religious affiliation. In general, Southern Baptists will be Republicans, Quakers and Brethren are often Democrats. Other denominations are evenly split between the two parties. To say that there is no difference between the two is another example of how you have blinded yourself to the nuances of life.
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Post by Kizzume on Nov 15, 2007 4:04:04 GMT -5
Wrong, kiddo. I notice that you believe there's some holy difference that makes religion immune to attacks. There's no difference between a political ideology and a religion in the respect that inherently ought to be given it. You only think there's a difference, but what you think is clearly wrong. Religions are ideologies. Just not political. They're no more deserving of respect than a political ideology that's rotten. Catholicism and protestantism are just as worthy of attack. We only give them special status in society because we have been culturally brainwashed into thinking something "religious" is worthy of respect simply by virtue of being a religion. If you wouldn't have added "that's rotten", I could have actually agreed with the first two sentences of your last paragraph. I think the following would be the most appropriate avatar you could have:  |
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Post by debateman on Nov 15, 2007 4:10:28 GMT -5
I was thinking more along these lines...  |
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Post by Kizzume on Nov 15, 2007 4:17:15 GMT -5
Bwahahahaha!!! LOL  |
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Post by debateman on Nov 15, 2007 4:18:35 GMT -5
"She went where all the other bad eggs go..."
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Post by Kizzume on Nov 15, 2007 4:19:49 GMT -5
?? I'll have to look up that reference...
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Post by debateman on Nov 15, 2007 4:23:02 GMT -5
?? I'll have to look up that reference... Oh, it's from "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" Gene Wilder was a fantastic representation of Wonka. Veruca (pictured) demanded a goose that laid golden eggs. The bad eggs went down the hatch to the incinerator. Verucs danced about demanding a goose that laid golden eggs until she stood on the hatch. it determined that she was a bad egg and sent her to the incinerator. |
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Post by Kizzume on Nov 15, 2007 7:30:19 GMT -5
Ah yes. I remember that now. It looks like we're derailing the thread. Aaaargh! |
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Post by Kizzume on Nov 15, 2007 7:41:11 GMT -5
Technocrat--sorry we got a bit carried away, but we really needed to let off some steam. You're just filled with so much hate mixed with Brainy Smurf-like tendencies that it just needed to be said.
There are many distinct difference between a political ideology and a religious ideology. One of those being that a religious ideology doesn't have anything to do with facts or even emotions, it has to do with beliefs, often in things that cannot be proven nor completely disproven. When religions are politicized, they can become a problem. When people want everyone to revolve their lives around a particular religion, that is a problem. Someone could believe in the magical land of toiletpaper will consume them after they die and that excess phlegm is a gift from god that should be colected into glass containers and mixed with something and lit to represent the great hankerchief in the sky, but if it doesn't do anything that's actually bad to their lives or others around them, besides seeming like they have a strange obsession with glass containers filled with goo, what difference does it make? Why does it have to be such an awful thing?
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Post by technocrat on Nov 23, 2007 4:08:54 GMT -5
I never actually saw the smurfs, so I don't get the reference anyway. I am not really filled with hate, though. I don't really care what anyone thinks either way, though. What I say isn't popular, but this isn't a popularity contest. I really couldn't care less how you choose to make fun of what I am saying.
I do the same to them and probably think just the same thing about them. It's immaterial. I know I am right. That's all that matters.
I don't remember saying religions and political ideologies were identical in every regard. I merely said there's no reason to give special deference and respect to a belief simply because one calls it religious. It's silly. I believe people have been acculturated to respect something called "religion," especially if it's popular and widely held (as if that makes it "more true). This gives religions a weapon to beat people over the head with and defect criticism. It's wrong and gives them leverage where they don't really deserve it. Whenever criticized, people are expected to just back off because it's faith. It's a perfect way of avoiding criticism, but keeping in the limelight. We're all trained to pay lip service and exhibit deference.
I don't feel we ought to give Catholicism any special treatment any more than we would Fascism, Communism, Liberalism, or Conservatism. But religion expects you to do just that...just because it's religion.
It would be great if people just kept their beliefs to themselves, but they don't. They brainwash their kids, who are often given zero choice (they are labeled long before they can even understand the concepts), who then do the same thing with their own kids. They attempt to evangelize and convert others. Then we end up having the problems we have today: a horribly superstitious public. It hurts society. We have a massively infected population that believes the Earth was made some time after the domestication of the dog and that evolution is false. It's the 21st century, and 50% of the American religious population thinks evolution is wrong. They do it because of religion. The problem is precisely that religion promotes reverence for irrational behaviour.
But, since religions are "sacred beliefs" we are all taught to respect, just because, they get away with it, whereas Fascist indoctrination would be up for immediate attack. If you attack religion for what it is, YOU are labeled a hate monger. An ironic absurdity.
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